objectively speaking korra is the worst avatar in the canon
roku maintained global stability for decades
korra literally destroyed the avatar state connection like a scrub
theRealKvothe - FOR - 14:42
okay so hear me out
roku literally let the hundred year war happen because of his toxic attachment to sozin
his chart screams unevolved libra energy just avoiding conflict
the.libra.said - AGAINST - 14:45
roku showed mercy to a friend which is a standard protagonist flaw
korra got played by her own uncle and gave up ten thousand years of history
it is like burning down the library of alexandria because you got mad
theRealKvothe - FOR - 14:49
she was dealing with severe spiritual manipulation
unalaq was basically gaslighting her the entire time
roku just sat on a volcano and let his bestie plot a literal genocide
the.libra.said - AGAINST - 14:52
roku died a heroes death fighting a force of nature to protect his island
it is a classic tragic sacrifice trope that establishes the lore
korra left the spirit portals open and ruined republic city infrastructure
theRealKvothe - FOR - 14:56
opening the portals brought back the air nation
she brought balance to the physical and spiritual worlds finally
she literally created a new era of spiritual awakening for everyone
the.libra.said - AGAINST - 14:59
bringing back the airbenders was a random side effect she didnt plan
you cannot give her credit for a systemic glitch in the magic system
roku actually mastered the elements in the proper order and respected tradition
theRealKvothe - FOR - 15:03
keeping people separated by tradition is such a backwards way to live
korra learned to integrate the world and bridge the gap
plus her relationship with asami was iconic and healing for her
the.libra.said - AGAINST - 15:06
romantic subplots do not factor into a power scaling debate
purely on avatar duties korra fundamentally failed her primary objective
she is the reason the past avatars are gone forever and aang is dead twice
theRealKvothe - FOR - 15:10
okay but losing the past lives forced her to be independent
roku was holding everyone back with his outdated traditionalism
the past lives were practically useless against modern problems anyway
the.libra.said - AGAINST - 15:13
calling ancestral wisdom useless is wild
the avatar state is a cumulative database of combat experience and tactics
she formatted the hard drive and installed a virus
theRealKvothe - FOR - 15:17
she didnt do it on purpose she had raava literally ripped out of her
it was a dark god attacking her soul
roku couldn't even handle one firebender with main character syndrome
the.libra.said - AGAINST - 15:20
sozin conquered the globe and industrialized a nation
he was an endgame threat that roku kept in check through sheer aura
korra lost to amon until the plot handed her airbending out of nowhere
theRealKvothe - FOR - 15:24
amon was a terrifying psychological threat
he literally stripped people of their identities
roku never had to face someone who could take away his bending
the.libra.said - AGAINST - 15:27
amon was just a bloodbender with a fake populist agenda
roku would have just earthbended him into a box from a mile away
korra relied way too much on physical punching instead of strategy
theRealKvothe - FOR - 15:31
she was raised in a compound her entire life
of course she was physical she had zero real world experience
roku got to travel the world and learn naturally
the.libra.said - AGAINST - 15:34
the white lotus compound is exactly why she should have been better prepared
she had the best masters in the world spoonfeeding her the elements
roku had to actually journey and earn his mastery like a real rpg character
theRealKvothe - FOR - 15:38
being locked up is literally a trauma response from the adults around her
they projected their fears onto her
her journey was about breaking out of that controlled environment
the.libra.said - AGAINST - 15:41
breaking out doesn't excuse losing every major fight in her own show
she got beat up by a dark spirit then beat up by zaheer then beat up by kuvira
her win/loss ratio is frankly embarrassing for a demigod
theRealKvothe - FOR - 15:45
she was poisoned with liquid mercury
like actual poison in her veins while fighting an anarchist master
i want to see roku try to fight while actively dying of heavy metal poisoning
the.libra.said - AGAINST - 15:48
roku died inhaling toxic volcanic gas while fighting the earth itself
so yes he did fight while being poisoned by nature
korra survived because jinora had to ex machina the poison out later
theRealKvothe - FOR - 15:52
su yin pulled the poison out actually
and korra fighting off the poison for years is a metaphor for chronic illness
it is so deeply resonant and beautiful
the.libra.said - AGAINST - 15:55
metaphors don't win death battles
zaheer wasn't even a master airbender he literally just got the power
and he still almost ended the avatar cycle permanently
theRealKvothe - FOR - 15:59
zaheer studied air nomad philosophy his whole life
he was a martial arts prodigy before he even got bending
his vibes were dark but his technique was flawless
the.libra.said - AGAINST - 16:02
he learned to fly because his girlfriend exploded
that is an edgelord backstory not a testament to his skill
korra was supposed to be the bridge and she let the earth kingdom fall to fascism
theRealKvothe - FOR - 16:06
she didn't let it happen she was recovering in a wheelchair
the world moved on without her and that was her biggest fear realized
roku was fully healthy and still let the fire nation build a war machine
the.libra.said - AGAINST - 16:09
roku didn't have cellphones or radios to track military movements
he lived in an era where information took months to travel by hawk
korra had police blimps and metalbending cops and still failed
theRealKvothe - FOR - 16:13
industrialization just meant the villains had better tech too
kuvira had a giant platinum mech that shot spirit lasers
roku would have been vaporized in two seconds
the.libra.said - AGAINST - 16:16
roku would have opened a fault line and swallowed the mech whole
he wouldn't have tried to punch a giant robot like an absolute novice
korras lack of tactical thinking is her biggest weakness
theRealKvothe - FOR - 16:20
she literally bent the spirit laser and created a new portal
she saved kuviras life after kuvira tried to kill her
that is ultimate water sign energy just pure healing and forgiveness
the.libra.said - AGAINST - 16:23
saving the dictator who just leveled your city is a terrible political move
she should have let the laser hit her and saved the courts the trouble
roku knew when to threaten sozin with actual lethal force
theRealKvothe - FOR - 16:27
threatening your best friend instead of actually stopping him is so toxic
roku was an enabler
korra broke the cycle of violence by showing compassion
the.libra.said - AGAINST - 16:30
breaking the cycle of violence is aang's storyline you are plagiarizing
korra just blew things up until the writers decided the season was over
she lost her connection to raava and had to turn into a giant blue alien
theRealKvothe - FOR - 16:34
the cosmic energy sequence was an exploration of her inner self
she realized she is powerful even without raava
roku's entire identity was just being the avatar
the.libra.said - AGAINST - 16:37
being the avatar is the entire point of the magic system
if you strip away the avatar spirit she is just a really aggressive waterbender
roku was a spiritual master who actually understood his duty
theRealKvothe - FOR - 16:41
she literally meditated into the spirit world and met iroh
she guided spirits and stopped a civil war
you just hate her because she is messy and real
the.libra.said - AGAINST - 16:44
i dislike her because she breaks the established lore for cheap drama
the spirit kite origin story completely retconned the moon and ocean spirits
the worldbuilding was flawless before she touched it
theRealKvothe - FOR - 16:48
raava and vaatu are literally yin and yang
it expands the lore it doesn't break it
you are just mad she changed the rules of your favorite universe
the.libra.said - AGAINST - 16:51
yin and yang implies balance but vaatu is purely evil and raava is purely good
that is a western dualistic framework awkwardly shoved into eastern philosophy
roku operated in a much more nuanced moral universe
theRealKvothe - FOR - 16:55
okay but the hundred year war is literally just fire nation bad everyone else good
korra had to deal with equalists and anarchists and earth empire fascists
the.libra.said - AGAINST - 16:58
complicated politics that she solved by punching them
amons valid critique of bender supremacy was completely ignored after season one
she never actually addressed the systemic inequality he brought up
theRealKvothe - FOR - 17:02
she became the president of a new republic city council
non benders got actual representation because of her
she fundamentally changed the government structure
the.libra.said - AGAINST - 17:05
president raiko was a coward who actively hindered her every move
creating a democratic system that immediately turns on the avatar is a massive L
theRealKvothe - FOR - 17:09
roku commanded respect out of fear
he literally destroyed the fire lords throne room to make a point
korra had to learn to work with people who didn't blindly worship her
the.libra.said - AGAINST - 17:12
fear is a valid diplomatic tool when dealing with imperialists
korra got banned from republic city by the guy she helped put in power
her political capital was constantly in the negative
theRealKvothe - FOR - 17:16
because she was navigating unprecedented modern media
she had journalists twisting her words and paparazzi following her
roku lived in a monastery making tea
the.libra.said - AGAINST - 17:19
navigating media is not an excuse for being a terrible judge of character
she trusted tarrlok until he bloodbent her
she trusted unalaq until he started a civil war
theRealKvothe - FOR - 17:23
she wanted to see the best in her family and mentors
she is an intuitive soul who operates on trust first
getting betrayed just made her more discerning later
the.libra.said - AGAINST - 17:26
discerning is the last word i would use to describe her
she barged into the earth queens palace and demanded an army
diplomacy is clearly a dump stat for her
theRealKvothe - FOR - 17:30
the earth queen was literally kidnapping airbenders
someone had to step up and be confrontational
korra never backs down from a bully
the.libra.said - AGAINST - 17:33
roku never let the bullies get to the point of kidnapping entire populations
he managed the geopolitical board perfectly until the volcano
korra was playing checkers while the villains were playing 4d chess
theRealKvothe - FOR - 17:37
the volcano was literally a natural disaster he couldn't beat nature
korra beat an ancient spirit of darkness during harmonic convergence
her feats are just undeniably bigger
the.libra.said - AGAINST - 17:40
scale does not equal quality
beating a giant laser beam with another giant laser beam is lazy writing
roku's mastery of the elements was subtle and precise and devastating
theRealKvothe - FOR - 17:44
i feel like you are just fundamentally opposed to her vibe
she was a teenager trying her best while the whole world judged her
and she still chose to sacrifice herself over and over again
the.libra.said - AGAINST - 17:47
attempting self sacrifice is easy when you have a savior complex
surviving and making smart decisions to prevent the crisis is harder
roku was the better avatar
theRealKvothe - FOR - 17:51
korra literally rebuilt the world after it broke
she is the most relatable and resilient character in the franchise
roku is just a plot device to make aang feel bad
the.libra.said - AGAINST - 17:54
boiling roku down to a plot device proves you dont understand the narrative structure
he is the archetype of the fallen mentor
korra is an archetype of poorly written escalation
theRealKvothe - FOR - 17:58
you are so obsessed with structure you miss the emotional truth
her trauma recovery is widely praised by actual therapists
she healed herself and then healed the world
the.libra.said - AGAINST - 18:02
i do not care what therapists think about a fictional magic user
i care about internal consistency and logical progression
korra failed the basic duties of her office
theRealKvothe - FOR - 18:06
her office evolved and she evolved with it
we are clearly never going to agree on this
stay mad about the past lives i guess
the.libra.said - AGAINST - 18:10
i will remain objectively correct about the lore
you can continue vibing with terrible decisions
the debate is essentially over
theRealKvothe - FOR - 18:14
whatever you say kvothe
i am going to go listen to the ending theme song now
it is so peaceful and you could definitely use some peace
the.libra.said - AGAINST - 18:18